Short flights not getting to end flight status

[LesJar]

I set up a bid to fly EGEP-EGEW Papa Westray to Westray a flight of around two minutes , the acars log seems to think the flight is still running after I have stopped put on the parking brakes and stopped the engines.  The end flight button did not show up.

Since this is a very short flight and the distance between the airports is less than 3 miles and you do not get much altitude is the acars able to handle this type of flight ?.

DO I need to make the times for the acars checking position report smaller etc,

 

production.INFO: PIREP Update, user 1 [2023-03-13 13:15:45] production.INFO: {"distance":2.22,"flight_time":5} [2023-03-13 13:15:45] production.INFO: Disposable Basic | Pirep:mrMymp3anA00YB5p TAKE OFF reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:15:46] production.INFO: Received acars update event 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reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:16:02] production.INFO: Received acars update event 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reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:16:17] production.INFO: Received acars update event 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OFF reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:16:33] production.INFO: Received acars update event 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Pirep:mrMymp3anA00YB5p TAKE OFF reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:16:49] production.INFO: Received acars update event 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reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:18:55] production.INFO: PIREP Update, user 1 [2023-03-13 13:18:55] production.INFO: {"flight_time":8} [2023-03-13 13:18:55] production.INFO: Disposable Basic | Pirep:mrMymp3anA00YB5p TAKE OFF reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:19:43] production.INFO: PIREP Update, user 1 [2023-03-13 13:19:43] production.INFO: {"flight_time":9}

 

basically I flew 2.34 miles and then the flight was finished but acars still was running so I cancelled it at 12 minutes 

[DisposableHero]

2 hours ago, LesJar said:

I set up a bid to fly EGEP-EGEW Papa Westray to Westray a flight of around two minutes , the acars log seems to think the flight is still running after I have stopped put on the parking brakes and stopped the engines.  The end flight button did not show up.

Since this is a very short flight and the distance between the airports is less than 3 miles and you do not get much altitude is the acars able to handle this type of flight ?.

DO I need to make the times for the acars checking position report smaller etc,

production.INFO: PIREP Update, user 1 [2023-03-13 13:18:55] production.INFO: {"flight_time":8} [2023-03-13 13:18:55]

production.INFO: Disposable Basic | Pirep:mrMymp3anA00YB5p TAKE OFF reported, Changed STATE of G-AAAA to IN AIR [2023-03-13 13:19:43]

production.INFO: PIREP Update, user 1 [2023-03-13 13:19:43] production.INFO: {"flight_time":9}

 

basically I flew 2.34 miles and then the flight was finished but acars still was running so I cancelled it at 12 minutes 

 

Did you checked docs (Acars > User Manual section) for "Flight Phases" (states) ?

 

https://docs.phpvms.net/acars/user-guide

 

Pirep:mrMymp3anA00YB5p TAKE OFF reported

 

Without ENR / Enroute, probably acars will not move on further.

 

I do not think that reducing reporting times will change anything. Either you will fulfill the requirements described in user guide (also you may need to alter your schedule to eliminate those short flights) or vmsAcars needs to be updated (which will affect all users and this needs to be considered deeply)

 

Good luck

[LesJar]

I ran the flight again and reached at least 1000 AGL and everything was ok I landed and the flight went to an end flight status.