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V7 - Feature Request - Using custom user airframes with the SimBrief API


DaddyBoon
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Hello,

 

See https://forum.navigraph.com/t/payload-discrepancies-truncations-due-to-unit-conversions-am-i-misunderstanding-the-numbers/7149

 

ProSim offers the possibility to feed the CDU importing PEF data from SimBrief: FOB, CI, Reserves, Payload, ecc.
The correctness of imported data depends on the use of the correct airframe (identified by its custom airframe's ID) .

At this moment the possibility to save a "custom airframe's ID" is not available... ans this data is not sent to SimBrief API.

The result is SimBrief will use default aircraft characteristics that do not suit the custom one: the data imported in the CDU are inaccurate.

 

So, the request is: Could you add an optional "custom airframe's ID" data to the aircrafts and send it, when present, to SimBrief?

 

Thank You,

 

Didier

 

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3 hours ago, DaddyBoon said:

Hello,

 

See https://forum.navigraph.com/t/payload-discrepancies-truncations-due-to-unit-conversions-am-i-misunderstanding-the-numbers/7149

 

ProSim offers the possibility to feed the CDU importing PEF data from SimBrief: FOB, CI, Reserves, Payload, ecc.
The correctness of imported data depends on the use of the correct airframe (identified by its custom airframe's ID) .

At this moment the possibility to save a "custom airframe's ID" is not available... ans this data is not sent to SimBrief API.

The result is SimBrief will use default aircraft characteristics that do not suit the custom one: the data imported in the CDU are inaccurate.

 

So, the request is: Could you add an optional "custom airframe's ID" data to the aircrafts and send it, when present, to SimBrief?

 

Thank You,

 

Didier

 

 

It is already possible at Subfleet level. If you have custom airframe ID's for specific aircraft types, you can use them at SimBrief Type field of a subfleet. When filled, that field is sent to SimBrief via API as per their documentation and gets used during planning.

 

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Additionally it is possible to have multiple custom airframe ID's assigned to an aircraft, a subfleet or to an ICAO code via a module (Disposable Basic > Aircraft Specs), also it is possible to use that module for more custom options (like not using airframe ID's but sending all info as "custom aircraft data", which has some benefits compared to using a saved airframe ID)

 

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Safe flights

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Hello Hero 😉

 

Thank you for your nice answer!

 

In my (humble) opinion, using Subfleet would not be "conceptually" clean, at least as I've understood/interpretated this "concept" (will lead to mix aircraft property at subfleet level).
In our case, a subfleet is a "group" of aircrafts of the same ICAO type (for example B738) belonging to an Airline (for example Turkish Airlines).
So in a subfleet you may find a ProSim B738 (with some characteristics and in particular its own Registration), a PMDG 737-800NGX (with different characteristics and registration, an IFly B738, ecc... that must be correctly "identified" by SimBrief to generate accurate PERF data.

So, the option that will work for us is "use that module for more custom options". It will permit a centralized management of various aircrafts characteristics without requiring the "owner" to manage airframes using SimBrief (that probably 80% don't do and downgrade to the standard SimBrief definition of the ICAO type 😆)...

Now my question is... where can I pick up this marvelous "module for more custom option"😉

 

Kind regards,

 

Didier

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Hi Didier,

 

Subfleets are a group of aircraft in everyone's case, it is not something special for you. It is their design logic, they hold the fleet with same specs :) And making subfleets only by aircraft model is not something logical too (you can check the guides about it, how real world subfleets are divided/handled etc).

 

Anyway, with your logic, an aircraft (B738) represented by multiple addons, having custom airframe match at aircraft level will not work either. Imagine a scenario in which you are simulating an airline with 2 B738's in its fleet. But you have 5 different addon developers in 4 different simulators, which your pilots own and wish to use. 

 

What will you do then ? Add fake aircraft to your fleet to cover all possible addon matches ?

 

A320 : Flight Factor, JarDesign, Aerosoft, FBW

B738 : Zibo, LevelUP, iFly, PMDG (2x 'cause they are different for FsX and Prepar3D, soon for MsFs probably too)

MD8x : Rotate, Leonardo (2x)

examples can be extended to other models easily.

 

And the worst result is, by making an aircraft "Zibo" only will mess up things during flight operations. You have 3 pilots using X-Plane, they want to fly at the same time but you have only one X-Plane/Zibo matched aircraft. One pilot will pick the best aircraft, others will be forced to use the ones with iFly or PMDG specs. Then a poor Prepar3D pilot will find himself/herself in a mess :D

 

So in short, your theory/request (having custom airframe match at aircraft level) and what phpvms v7 currently offers (having it at subfleet level) fails :( Or at best works only if you are simulating one addon and using one simulator (like X-Plane and Zibo only VA or MsFs and FBW only).

 

This is why, I built the "Addon Specs" logic (fine tuned it in time according to user/va feedback and needs we discovered along the way), which can support almost all possible scenarios and has the flexibility of being used in multiple ways ;) Like creating a "new" aircraft model which Simbrief does not support yet (like A21N), fine tuning default simbrief options for a specific addon or just using multiple pre-built simbrief aircraft profiles within a fleet.

 

Maybe you should check this forum to find the answer of your own question, there is a nicely organized "Downloads" section here, link is at the top :)

 

Good luck and safe flights

 

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Addition: Your request and partly phpvms v7's current design CAN work only when you allow an aircraft to be used by multiple pilots at the same time. Which is not realistic of course but can be a solution if you are aiming to have a relaxed setup.

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