TAV1702 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Hi Nabeel. I know this has been fixed and kicked up and put back to rest soooooo many times, but, none the less, I must kick a dead dog back to life yet again. I just did a flight from KLAX-KMCI in a B767 In the ACARS log, it shows me using 41148 lbs of fuel. So I sent my pirep, go in to accept it, and look and it says I used 41148 gallons of fuel. I do have all my stuff set to gallons, but apparently ACARS does not see it that way. So I plugged the correct info in to the pirep and submitted my change and it actually went from loosing 131,00 some odd Dollars that flight to an actual profit. This is a major problem the way I see it. I have been tracking fuel for around 2 months now on my site and we ( 5 test pilots ) fly all the time and the VA financial wise is all but bankrupt from fuel cost alone. Our only option at this time is to NOT use ACARS at all unless I have missed a key setting somewhere. As far as Xacars goes, I am not sure about it. I only have 1 guy testing with it atm. I can dig up the numbers from there and see if any outrageous fuel uses have been logged. V 819 php5.2.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 20, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Which ACARS app are you using? XAcars always reports fuel in lbs, I think I fixed that bug a few builds ago, but I'm pretty sure you're upto date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Version 2.0.819 Acars Version 4.15 updated Yeah I am more than positive it was fixed though prior to this post. But for some reason, when sending in that pirep, it is charging me for pounds and not gallons. I wasn't sure how accurate my numbers were when I posted the first time, So I went back and triple checked my config file, Looked at the Acars log for fuel, and the number used in the text file matched perfectly to what it charged me for in the Admin panel of website. The funny part is, in the admin panel of the website, when editing the pirep, under the fuel used area, it specifically says Gallons Used bust shows the amount of punds from the ACARS log. ;D I have tweaked and pinched and poked on my site until I was blue in the face, but no admin tpl's or php files have ever been touched. Could there possibly be something in the change log related to this that I failed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 20, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I think the problem lies with fscars, maybe it's not reporting the right units. Do those numbers match? If the ACARS log should pounds, then fsacars isn't reporting the fuel properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infidel Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 stuipd question - is there a way to change the PIREP from KG to LBS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 20, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 After the fact? You could manually calculate it when you edit the PIREP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infidel Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I am doing that now - LBS to KG as our pirep form requests it in KG - is there a change for that so that it will auto calculate based on LBs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 20, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 What ACARS program are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 here is the log from the pirep I have been discussing here. Check it out. http://thunderva.mweva.com//index.php/pireps/view/56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 20, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 It seems to me ACARS isn't reporting fuel in the proper units. I'm guessing the setting is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPC900 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I believe that FS Acars only goes up to 32000 lbs or something to that effect. So for a long flight it maxes out every time and does not get the tue read of the fuel used. I will find out that exact number when I get home from work. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 It seems to me ACARS isn't reporting fuel in the proper units. I'm guessing the setting is right? That was my next question. Is there a setting in ACARS that we set to tell it what to report in? Everything in the phpVMS config files are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 21, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 There's a setting in the fsacars_config.tpl which I just noticed actually: UnitSystem=GB I'm assuming that means great britain. I'll have to check out their docs once I get a chance, I think I over looked that setting from the local.config perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 21, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I don't have the manual, but in the SDK docs, in the fsacars settings, there is an option to change the unit. Did you use that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 I don't have the manual, but in the SDK docs, in the fsacars settings, there is an option to change the unit. Did you use that? Most likely not. :-[ I always tell my kids, " Directions are your friends. They tell you what to do" I should take my own advice eh? I'll go have a look at this. Thanks again Nabeel. Will come back and mark it solved if infact this is what is the problem. Are these Docs we are discussing included with ACARS? I want to be sure I am looking in the correct place. ;D BUT, it has been reported to me that XAcars has to be manually changed every time a pirep is submitted as well due to the fact that it will only report in lbs. Might it be a wise idea for me in the long run to switch over to pounds instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 23, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 23, 2009 Most likely not. :-[ I always tell my kids, " Directions are your friends. They tell you what to do" I should take my own advice eh? I'll go have a look at this. Thanks again Nabeel. Will come back and mark it solved if infact this is what is the problem. Are these Docs we are discussing included with ACARS? I want to be sure I am looking in the correct place. ;D BUT, it has been reported to me that XAcars has to be manually changed every time a pirep is submitted as well due to the fact that it will only report in lbs. Might it be a wise idea for me in the long run to switch over to pounds instead? It's always in lbs, but I've fixed in the latest ones that it will do the proper conversion to your local units from lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ok I'm back on this again. I read the manual to ACARS and I do not find anywhere to set the fuel to pounds or anything else. I found everything but. Oh well, I will get it hashed out in the long run I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted December 31, 2009 Administrators Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ok I'm back on this again. I read the manual to ACARS and I do not find anywhere to set the fuel to pounds or anything else. I found everything but. Oh well, I will get it hashed out in the long run I'm sure. In FSACARS it's under options, it's not there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I didn't see it, but I will go look again. I'm willing to bet the farm that that is my fuel issue. I am going to a buddies house tonight to pop open a couple of my home brews and play some Wii for a while. I'll get back on this in the morn...... If I don't feel to rough that is. Happy New Year! Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted January 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Ok man, this is really aching my back side bad. If I go ahead and change my site to accept pounds like ACARS insists on reporting, will it convert the correct price per gallon then? Example below, 04:25 Final Fuel: 10533 Lbls 04:25 Spent Fuel: 14030 Lbls That is what ACARS sent to my site in the log. In the edit pirep section of admin before accepting it, it wanted to charge me for 14030 gallons The flight in question lost 35k. When I fixed it to calculate how many gallons I burned, it went into a + income for the flight. I have looked until I was blue in the face and I for the life of me can not find anywhere to make FS ACARS report in gallons and not pounds. I was thinking that since I have the config on my website set to gallons, that it would convert that pounds to gallons and then put that number in the pirep. Wrong!!! ;D Easy fix, just change my config to pounds and go with that instead? It appears that I am going to have to manually alter each pirep that is filed with FSACARS and that is just not an option. Open for suggestions, questions, and/or comments at this time. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted January 9, 2010 Administrators Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hey, I have some time today to finally look at FSACARS in detail. I'll get back to you - do poke me a reminder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV1702 Posted January 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Ok that would be great. I found a place to turn it on and off in logging, but that wont do any good. I looked again once today when my frustration level was at a 0 and still a no go on finding anything to switch from lbs to gal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiljo Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Under your .*ini file put instead of GB ,IS for metric system (Inernational system), if u want in KGs, if u want in LBS leave GB and you change in local.config fuel in lbs and weihght in lbs...thats should do the trck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Nabeel Posted January 17, 2010 Administrators Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Shiljo, do you know details about how FSACARS handles units? I might have to hardcode the conversions into the file Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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